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The Plumber's Delight

Here are a few pictures of my latest speaker building project.  

I used the 24.5 x 72 x 1.125" workbench table top particle board they sell at Menards for $14.99 a sheet.    The finished speakers are 19 lbs each.  You might think this thickness is overkill for such a small speaker.   But what I was trying to do was to increase the mass of the speaker as much as possible to reduce self-cancellation caused by the entire speaker moving back & forth at low frequencies.     

Gross internal volume is 3 liters (5.30x3.55x9.75").  The port is 26" long with a 1.6" inside diameter.  This tunes the system to somewhere in the 40-42Hz range.  A 10" long by 1.25" inside diameter bass trap eliminates the 1st and 2nd port resonances at 260 and 520Hz.  This trap is stuffed with a small amount of Acousta-stuf and dacron material.   Tuning was done experimentally by changing the trap length and stuffing density, on the fly, as I measured the near field response with OmniMic.  

Drivers are the Tang Band W5-2053 subwoofer, the Techtonic Elements TEBM46C20N-4B midrange, and the Morel MDT-39 tweeter.  Crossover frequencies are 320 and 2400Hz.   Sensitivity measures somewhat low at 82-83dB/2.83V/1 meter.   

Because I am using a 4 ohm subwoofer and a 4 ohm midrange, the overall system impedance dips to about 3 ohms in the 90 to 150Hz range (see graph).   I have played the speakers at moderate to somewhat loud levels with a number of amplifiers and have not, as yet, had any problems with amplifier overheating or the tripping of amplifier protection circuitry.   :o

I measured total harmonic distortion at various SPL levels with OmniMic and then transferred this data to a spreadsheet (see attached).  Subwoofer distortion at 80Hz appears to be the weakest point, with midrange distortion at 300Hz a close 2nd.  When I listen to the speakers at the 86-89dB level, there is absolutely no sense of strain, but when I push them to either the 93-95 or 95-97dB levels, I can hear a very serious dynamic compression effect starting to set in.   :)   

Any comments or questions are welcome.  Thanks for looking. 

Bill


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Comments

  • Bill,

    You might be able to find MDF stair tread at one on the big box building supply stores. Home Depot has them. 1-1/8 in. x 11-1/4 in. x 4 ft. MDF with a bull nose one edge which is big enough for small boxes and could be joined at the edge if you wanted bigger panels. http://diy.midwestaudio.club/discussion/272/1-1/8%20in.%20x%2011-1/4%20in.%20x%204%20ft.

    Ron
  • Wow these are great, can't wait to hear them in a few weeks, great craftsmanship!

    Javad
  • Thanks, Javad.  I saw the pictures of your dual-side-firing 6" passive radiator system.  Very impressive looking design.  Can't wait to hear them as well!

    Bill S.
    JavadS
  • Craig,  would this be a 3 liter box?
  • Ron_E said:
    Bill,

    You might be able to find MDF stair tread at one on the big box building supply stores. Home Depot has them. 1-1/8 in. x 11-1/4 in. x 4 ft. MDF with a bull nose one edge which is big enough for small boxes and could be joined at the edge if you wanted bigger panels. http://diy.midwestaudio.club/discussion/272/1-1/8%20in.%20x%2011-1/4%20in.%20x%204%20ft.

    Ron

    Thanks for the tip, Ron.   I was actually thinking about using the stair treads that you mention to build these speakers.  But I had to go with the larger benchtop material because I wanted to be able to cut the faceted baffle angles off the end of a long piece of stock.  So I first ripped the benchtop down into two 12x72 inch pieces on my table saw.  Then I sliced the baffles off the end of this long piece of stock using my dual-bevel sliding miter saw.  The stair tread material would only have allowed me to build the box about 11 inches high. 

    Bill   
  • 4thtry said:
    Craig,  would this be a 3 liter box?
    Hi Bill, no 4 Liters...  not for Ben's shootout.
  • PWRRYD said:
    4thtry said:
    Craig,  would this be a 3 liter box?
    Hi Bill, no 4 Liters...  not for Ben's shootout.

    You could cut a liter off like I did. ;)
    Mzisserson4thtryS7910
    ............. could you hum a few bars.
  • PWRRYD said:
    4thtry said:
    Craig,  would this be a 3 liter box?
    Hi Bill, no 4 Liters...  not for Ben's shootout.
    Aw, Ben will not be happy. You no like Nen when Ben not happy. 
    kennykNicholas_23
  • Does he turn green
    Mzisserson
  • Yup, with big pointy teeth, ouch, bite, bite!!
    Creative paint job, Bill
  • 6thplanet said:
    Yup, with big pointy teeth, ouch, bite, bite!!
    Creative paint job, Bill
    Thanks, Eric.  Just using up some old rattle cans and masking tape.  The concept is frame within a frame in burgandy and gold.  The burgandy dryed fast, but I got several thumb and finger prints on the gold by touching it too soon.  I tried to buff out the prints, but buffing dulled the finish.  May have to re-paint after Indy.

    Bill
  • Bill, I like to close my eyes while listening. They will be as beautiful as they may sound.  ;)
    4thtry
    ............. could you hum a few bars.
  • Did I catch this right? These took 1st? Well done! 
  • edited April 2017
    I was blown away. Bill did a fabulous.....simply fabulous job.
    PS. I didn't close my eyes. :3
    Mzisserson4thtry
    ............. could you hum a few bars.
  • Thanks you!   I went up against a powerful contender (Javad) in the first round.  But the votes luckily went in my favor and when the dust cleared after the 2nd round, I came out on top.  There were quite a few good contenders, but I think I got the edge because my entry dug just a little bit deeper than the rest.

    Bill S
    JavadS
  • And here are just a few pics from the show:
    kennykMzisserson
  • The last pic of (you?) Holding it is funny, like my 4yo coming up to me with a bunch of stuck together legis saying "I made this!"
  • That's Wolf lol
  • No, that is Ben (Wolf), the organizer of the show.  All of the Nanotech speakers were placed up front on the head table.  Then Ben & Chuck quickly swapped out speakers in predetermined groupings.  This helped reduce the down time between speaker swapouts.

    When Ben picked up my speaker to put it on the stand, he first waved it to the crowd and there was a slight uproar of laughter in the crowd.  As a photographer, whenever I hear laughter in the crowd,  I quickly raise my camera and fire as fast as I can.  This pic was the result.

    Bill
  • Awesome job Bill, so many parts of this build showed the incredible detail and skill you put into the project, not to mention they sounded fantastic :3
  • Was enjoyable following these from last year. The trap (first time I saw one) was enlightening along with Bill's explanation and measurements​. Again, great sounding as ever.... 
  • Congrats Bill. I really liked what I heard last year in Iowa.

    Ron
  • Thanks, everyone!  I was planning on another crossover modification, but after all the positive feedback I have received after Iowa and now Indy, I think I am going to leave the crossover alone and declare this project DONE!  B)

    Bill
    JavadSkennyk
  • I agree.  They do everything well.  The only thing I might consider is a port approach similar to what John Hollander did on his silver nano speakers to avoid all the PVC sticking out the back.
    Keep an open mind, but don't let your brain fall out.

    Sehlin Sound Solutions
  • No offense but I don't understand the value in this design. A 3 liter box but another 3 liters of fugly pvc pipe behind it.  I'd rather just have a 6 liter box and keep the unsightly plastic plumbing hidden internally.  Was this driven by Wolf's competition criteria?
  • Yep, to meet the nanotech challenge. Im sure if someone wanted to copy the design, the volume could be increased accommodate the port or incorporated via slot port as John did. 

    One of the aspects that made Bill's intersting was the trap he used to greatly reduce the port resonance. And that with his design vs the other entry using the same woofer with dual prs, Bills was noticeably more sensitive though tuning was very similar. 
    Turn2
  • edited April 2017
    PWRRYD said:
    No offense but I don't understand the value in this design. A 3 liter box but another 3 liters of fugly pvc pipe behind it.  I'd rather just have a 6 liter box and keep the unsightly plastic plumbing hidden internally.  Was this driven by Wolf's competition criteria?
    Yes the rules specified the internal volume had to be 3l or smaller, however XO and ports could be put outside that so long they fit inside a 12" cube.  I agree the rules were a little wonky, I took the 3l restriction more literally in my design and kept everything inside the 3L, which forced the use of passive radiators.

    However there is no denying that Bill's implementation of this design w/in the rules resulted in a very optimal speaker.  While it was quite a bit larger than many entries, Bill did some very neat things with the port tuning and the resonant H-chamber to really justify his effort and the use of the extra space. 

    Javad
  • IPWRRYD said:
    No offense but I don't understand the value in this design. A 3 liter box but another 3 liters of fugly pvc pipe behind it.  I'd rather just have a 6 liter box and keep the unsightly plastic plumbing hidden internally.  Was this driven by Wolf's competition criteria?
    I admit to having somewhat mixed feelings about this.  At the end of the day, it was in line with the rules of the competition and it is a very good sounding design.  If one enclosed the port and let the whole thing be more like 6 liters, it would still be one of the best speakers that size that I have heard.

    When Wolf set the 3 liter criteria, one of his stated objectives was to be smaller than popular "small" speakers such as the Overnight Sensation (which is something like 4 to 4.5 liters).  The overall aesthetic impact of the "Plumbers Delight" is of something larger than the Overnight Sensations.  The upside of the approach is that it brings attention to the port resonance issue and demonstrates a solution.  I don't want to speak for John H., but I strongly suspect that this design had an influence on what he did for his silver Peerless based nano entry, which was a more elegant solution based on the same principle.

    If I were running such a competition, I would set the size criteria based on external size, which would have created a more level playing field and maybe spurred some different innovative solutions. But then, this speaker probably would not have been built - and I am glad it was built...Food for thought.   
    JavadS4thtryjhollander
    Keep an open mind, but don't let your brain fall out.

    Sehlin Sound Solutions
  • Ben and I talked at length about the criteria. Doing something different was just part of it. Size wise, keeping everything within a 12" cube was the "external" limit. 

    I agree Scott that Johns solution is more appealing and elegant. However, as John can attest he was not able to reduce both peaks as Bill did. I'm sure with further design that he would though. 

    Ben and I will be discussing next year's theme soon. And he will again use a poll to determine what it will be. 

    One question for those that attended. What did you think of the tournament format? 
  • Ben and I talked at length about the criteria. Doing something different was just part of it. Size wise, keeping everything within a 12" cube was the "external" limit. 

    I agree Scott that Johns solution is more appealing and elegant. However, as John can attest he was not able to reduce both peaks as Bill did. I'm sure with further design that he would though. 

    Ben and I will be discussing next year's theme soon. And he will again use a poll to determine what it will be. 

    One question for those that attended. What did you think of the tournament format? 
    Overall I liked it and it was helpful to compare speakers with similar specs to each other.

    My only suggestion is make more "open play time" for the theme speakers, my speakers only played for the demo music and never came out again, would have been fun to have another 5 mins to show off what they did well with my own reference music.

    Javad
  • I felt the exposed port helps demonstrate Bill's solution. Also this was created before the "nano" criteria was decided.
    ............. could you hum a few bars.
  • PWRRYD said:
    No offense but I don't understand the value in this design. A 3 liter box but another 3 liters of fugly pvc pipe behind it.  I'd rather just have a 6 liter box and keep the unsightly plastic plumbing hidden internally.  Was this driven by Wolf's competition criteria?
      No offense taken.  And I agree completely with your comments.  However, having said that, this design would not have taken place had I not put the port on the outside of the box.  Because an internal port is very difficult to tune and modify, I would have given up before getting it tuned properly. :o .

    The original port was 26" long with no trap.  And it sounded and measured bad, with large 1st and 2nd port resonances.  I was going to give up and re-tune the box from 40Hz up to about 50Hz by cutting the port down to about 12" or so.  This would have created a peaky 50Hz boom box.  But then I came up with the trap idea and, because the port was on the outside of the box, it was very easy to construct it and tune it.  I had OmniMic running continuously taking near field port measurements as I swapped out different trap lengths and stuffing densities on the fly.  When I got done, I had a big pile of rejected trap stubs laying on the floor.  :)
    JavadS
  • Ben and I talked at length about the criteria. Doing something different was just part of it. Size wise, keeping everything within a 12" cube was the "external" limit. 

    I agree Scott that Johns solution is more appealing and elegant. However, as John can attest he was not able to reduce both peaks as Bill did. I'm sure with further design that he would though. 

    Ben and I will be discussing next year's theme soon. And he will again use a poll to determine what it will be. 

    One question for those that attended. What did you think of the tournament format? 
    I really liked the tournament format.  My sonic memory is very short and this helped a great deal. 
  • I liked the tournament format, but missed the designer comments.  If we could have formalized the discussion after the first round that would have been great.
     John H, btw forum has decided I don't get emails
  • 4thtry said:

      <snip> I would have given up before getting it tuned properly. :o .
    I gave up after 4 iterations
     John H, btw forum has decided I don't get emails
  • Bill,
       That was A LOT of work! I like your port resonant trap. Do you have a Z measurement with and without? Also,  NF/port summed with and without? 

       If you have ever seen the weird shape of Vivid speakers, even the Nataulus thats what L. Dickie (the desiger) uses the cabinet shape for. That, and diffraction. It is very cool stuff as a whole and I think your exexution of dampening a port's resonance is awesome. 

    Great document package, too. 3 ohms Z for a 4 ohm speaker is no big deal. Many commercial 8 ohm speakers drop to 3.8. It is a little reactive and 80HZ looks to be a hell of a load which could account for the distortion spike as you are pulling a ton of current and back EMF will be at a maximum.  Would not be a problem with amps, just make them complain a little and by the looks of it, it is likely more of something that is measurable....Not meaningful. 

    Specially in such a tiny speaker!!!!!

    I bet they actually are stunning at regular to moderate volumes. I am very impressed with this design. 

    Update:

    Mike,  you asked me a while back if I had run a Z curve with and without the trap.  But the traps were already glued in place.

    Well, I accidently bumped and knocked one of the port traps off one of my speakers.  So, before gluing it trap back on, I ran a system impedance curve comparing trap verses no trap.  The purple curve is with the trap removed & plugged with a rubber stopper; the green curve is with the trap in place.

    As you can see, there is no difference at the 1st & 2nd port resonances of 260 & 520Hz.  There is a slight difference between the two curves in the 40 to 80Hz range.  My guess is that the 1st & 2nd port resonances have little to no effect on the impedance curve because these resonances are created by the smaller volume of air inside the port and therefore tend to be isolated somewhat from the larger amount of air inside the box.  As to why the slight change from 40 to 80Hz, I have no idea. 



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